Lord Hill blithely told the Today programme what everyone who was anyone already knew, and what the rest of us could have worked out.
Namely that no one who matters in the institutions of the EU expects Britain ever to go through with withdrawal.
But that programme was very hostile to Tom Watson when he came on to discuss Labour's deprivation of all Far Right challengers of their deposits in the industrial North on the same night as it held its share of the vote deep in the leafy South.
Instead, he was harangued about the child abuse inquiry, as if its failures were somehow his fault.
But he had been a hero to the newspapers and websites that now castigate him, right up until attention turned to the Thatcher Government.
Suddenly, then, it all became "McCarthyite" and "a witch hunt".
Watson, though, need not take it too much to heart, and he is most unlikely to do so.
Just as Theresa May cared profoundly about Hillsborough, so she also cares profoundly about child abuse.
And her Party Conference speech made it perfectly clear that she was no friend whatever of the legacy of Margaret Thatcher.