Here. He may not mean to. But he does.
Without wishing to be overly graphic, Owen's
"girlfriends into [his] early twenties" (he is still only 28)
were presumably treated to more than afternoon tea. He was able to find more
than afternoon tea from somewhere.
Homosexuality as some sort of ontological
category is a preposterous concept, and barely 40 years old even in the very few
countries where it exists at all.
Indeed-when people like Owen Jones (and the Left in general) use the term "bigot" they're talking about people like you.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't agree with them, it's time to depart from the Left.
Peter Hitchens once made that journey-you can make it, too.
Owen's article was certainly not about people like me.
ReplyDeleteAs for Peter's having left the Left, really? How, exactly?
He wants to renationalise the railways and the utilities, which, expressed quite as bluntly as he does, would still make it difficult (not impossible, but difficult) for him to be selected as a Labour candidate even this long after the departure of Tony Blair.
By this stage in the next Parliament, such views will be more or less required. But even so.
Nor is that an isolated example in his case. There are quite a few. His belief that Margaret Thatcher was wrong to sell off council housing puts him well to the left. And as for his opposition to the renewal of Trident...
There is more. Why, he even regrets the defeat of the miners, unlike much of the Labour Party at the time, never mind in later decades.
He was talking about people with your views-and indeed, Peter's views.
ReplyDelete"how, exactly?"
Ask him.
Peter's against the left-wing revolution that's been going on for the last century across the Western world-that's how.
There is (as he says)nothing Left-wing about state ownership of utilities.
As this explains rather well.
Indeed, his central argument is that the Left gave up a command economy as its central aim back in the 50's and chose educational, social and cultural revolution instead (as Tony Crosland explained in The Future of Socialism).
Read this "What is Socialist About State Ownership"? which explains it rather well.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/10/whats-socialist-about-state-ownership-beats-me.html
So you can't answer, then. I had expected that.
ReplyDeleteHe really isn't writing for you, you know.
And Owen's described Peter's views on sexual morality as bigoted in his radio debate with him on the 2011 riots.
ReplyDeletePeter's views on those issues are close to yours-so he means you, too.
Sorry to break it to you-that's what the Left thinks of people like you and Peter.
Ask Peter how much abuse he gets from Left-wingers, because of his views.
I'm sure he could take you through a full itinerary.
That's the Left for you. If you don't like it, leave.
You have not read it, and probably can't.
ReplyDelete"One of the things I have striven hard to do is to destroy the lazy view that the left is in some way wedded to state ownership"
ReplyDeleteFirst sentence. Isn't that the "lazy view" you just espoused?
Whoops.
I hate to break the news to you, but that does not make it right. It just means that he said it. And you are rather a peculiar cultist of his, considering all the things, including this, on which you do not agree with him, and considering that he despises both of your parties, between which you can never make up your mind.
ReplyDelete"the Left’s ideas – by their nature – undermine conscience, self-restraint, deferred gratification, lifelong marriage and strong, indivisible families headed by authoritative fathers"
ReplyDeleteIndeed-it appears (given his above description of "the Left"( that Peter doesn't quite buy into your attempts to recruit him to your side.
Heaven knows why.
That is only if you define as he did for the purposes of that piece. As he himself would tell you, by that definition, Thatcherism as on the Left (the Far Left, in fact), and the Labour Governments before Blair were not, or not quite. It is a device, that is all.
ReplyDeleteYou are just thick, aren't you? And very, very, very unused to being disagreed with. Well, your Daddy can neither sack nor evict me. Yes, such people exist in the world. There, that should blow your mind for the night. Possibly forever.