Polly Toynbee is exercised by Gordon Brown's latest offerings. I see that her Proportional Representation monomania has been dragged into this. At least its equally evil twin, State funding of political parties, has yet to be. State funding must entail some degree of State control, which can often be necessary and beneficial. But, for political parties, it would be lethal. Only parties that met the organisational and political requirements of some committee of Notting Hill and Primrose Hill diners would be able to afford to contest elections. No wonder Polly Toynbee and the BBC are so keen on the idea.
And the same is true of PR. For one thing, I simply cannot see how it would work in rural areas, either for Parliament or, even more so, for local government. Councillors, in particular, would do absolutely nothing except drive around their vast, unwieldy wards, arriving late for everything yet always leaving early in order to arrive late for the next engagement.
Instead, in the course of every Parliament without fail, the two candidates with the most nominations from a party's branches for Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (at constituency level) or for Leader (at national level), including branches of affiliated organisations where Labour or any of its successors is concerned, should be subjected to a binding ballot of every registered voter in the constituency or the country, as the case may be.
The sort of people favoured by central machines would struggle to get on the ballot at all, and certainly wouldn't be selected. And the same is true of each party's several lunatic fringes (including the single and indivisible one currently running both Labour and the Tories, and about to take over the Lib Dems as well). But they could always then put up under their own steam and see how far they got.
And either this, or PR, or indeed any change whatever to where MPs come from, would kill off the Lib Dems practically overnight. The above system would have historically industrial areas choose totally unreconstructed Social Democrats who were who were indistinguishable from the local right-wing Labour Establishment (and might well have been in it at one time), while agricultural areas would choose totally unreconstructed Liberals who were not only indistinguishable from, but multiply related to, the local "Faith, Flag, Family and Farming" Tory Establishment.
Finally, there should also be public participation in policy formulation. In the course of each Parliament, the 10 policies most popular with each party's branches should be put out to a ballot of the whole electorate, with each of us entitled to vote for up to two, and with the top seven guaranteed inclusion in the next General Election manifesto.
Put all of this together, and it would answer any perceived need for PR, thus safeguarding the vital constituency link into the bargain.
Indeed, it would make possible the re-creation of the movement that Labour was back when it used to believe in social democracy. It did so precisely because it had profoundly conservative social and moral values, not least a strong British (and therefore also Commonwealth) patriotism focused on the institution binding together each and both of the Union and the Commonwealth. All of this was, and remains, mainstream opinion in Scotland, Wales, the North, the Midlands, and the decidedly less chi-chi parts of the South. In some such constituencies, turnout last time was as low as one in three.
So there is a huge gap to be filled by the restored party of those Labour MPs who defended the grammar schools as the ladder of working-class advancement. By a party tough on crime because most victims are poor.
By the party of the Attlee Government, which dismissed the European Coal and Steel Community as "the blueprint for a federal state", which "the Durham miners would never wear". Of Hugh Gaitskell calling the Common Market "the end of a thousand years of history" and a threat to the unity of the Commonwealth.
By the party of ardently Unionist Labour MPs from Scotland, Wales, and their adjacent areas. Of Roy Hattersley sending British troops into Northern Ireland in order to defend the grateful Catholics there precisely as British subjects defined by their liberties under the Crown (whereas citizens are defined by their obligations to the State and to the government of the day). Of Roy Mason running Northern Ireland as an integral part of the United Kingdom, with terrorism treated as a plain and simple security problem. Of Harold Wilson guaranteeing the Anguillan people’s right to be British, explicitly outside the American hegemony that had wanted to re-create there the brothels and drug dens of old Havana.
By the party of those Labour MPs (mostly Methodists) who resisted relaxation of the laws on drinking and gambling. Of those (mostly Catholics) who fought against abortion and easier divorce. Of those who voted in favour only after warning against exactly what has come to pass: abortion more common than having a tooth pulled, and one in three marriages ending in divorce.
That was the party in favour of the Welfare State, workers' rights, progressive taxation, and full employment. It dissuaded Truman from dropping an atom bomb on Korea, and it refused to send British forces to Vietnam. It opposed the Soviet Union and wider Stalinism on the same grounds, and with the same ferocity, as it opposed Fascism in the Iberian world and elsewhere, as well as apartheid South Africa and its Rhodesian satellite. It won elections on enormous turnouts and in the face of serious opposition.
Britain is crying out for just such a party today. So let's get on and build it.
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Who's on board so far, David?
ReplyDeleteNow that is an interesting question. It seems that there are several people thinking the same way, who have discovered this blog either directly or through things that I've published elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteThey too are writing away, Neil Clark on his blog and elsewhere, Phillip Blond in The First Post and elsewhere, and so on. We have also struck chords in several other countries.
So there's a thoroughly international edited collection of essays in the pipeline. And once we release the list of European Parliamentary candidates, then things really will take off. My daily round of emails makes it abundantly clear that the constituency is there to be reached. Watch this space.
It's interesting that nobody else has gone public in support of you, or published anything mentioning you or your project (I could be wrong - if so, please provide references). You'd have thought that it would be worth trying to publicise this as widely as possible - and it's not getting publicity. And if you didn't want it to be public, then you wouldn't even be publishing this blog, would you?
ReplyDeleteWhat is The First Post anyway? Is it a magazine? How many readers does it have? How many people have heard of it?
ReplyDeleteEveryone who matters politically has heard of it. And we haven't attempted to publicise this project yet. Honestly, just what the hell sort of an amateur are you? You're probably employed by the Labour Party.
ReplyDeleteYou should ignore these morons, David. They are on the way out but they are too stupid to realise it. Unlike Blair/Cameron and Brown, busily constructing their rival replacement parties for when the day comes. Of course, there's no political difference. They just hate each other for the sake of it. Wheraes you offer a real alternative.
ReplyDeleteJust googled it. The First Post appears to be an online magazine. The top three stories on its homepage are about the Oscars, Amy Winehouse and Larry David. Wow! Cutting edge stuff!
ReplyDeleteAnd it has a column about Gordon Brown by an anonymous "Westminster insider" which could have been written by anyone with access to a newspaper.
But if you want to claim that it's a remotely significant publication for "everyone who matters politically", you go ahead.
Seriously, if you're not trying to publicise it, what's this blog for? Why copy your emails to every media outlet?
ReplyDeleteIf you were trying to keep it quiet, then you wouldn't do that. If you were trying, and failing miserably, to make a noise, then you would.
Ignore them, David. We all know that the reason you haven't had any publicity is that you're keeping your powder dry for the European elections. If everyone already knew who you were, you'd be old news by then, and you wouldn't get any votes. It's much cleverer to stay under the radar where nobody has heard of you and the other parties don't care enough to start digging over your past and uncovering the dirt.
ReplyDeleteOh, come on. Everyone knows about The First Post! That's why it gets so much publicity. You'll be telling us you've never heard about the Daily Telegraph next...
ReplyDeleteClive: what dirt?
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you're making such a fuss about state funding David. The people who come on here criticising you are the beneficiaries of the gigantic state funding that political parties already receive.
ReplyDeleteThe calibre of such lords and masters of ours is evident from Anonymous 1:33 PM, who doesn't seem to understnad the difference between keeping the right people informed and wishing to see something plastered all over the papers at this stage. Says it all really.
They are probably sincere in believing that no one holds the views that you set out. Again that says it all. Yet these people are on for parachuting into safe seats of whichever party (I don't need to tell you that it doesn't matter which) followed by 40 years as MPs!
Anonymous 1:29 PM is quite right. The two separate but identical parties, one Blair/Cameronite and the other Brownite, already exist, one across all three parties, the other increasingly so.
The Brown Party, please note, includes as you rightly point out the former Race and Repatriation Secretary of the Monday Club. Is that what politicians mean by the centre ground?
Yes, just because these commenters are anonymous, doesn't mean we can't make huge assumptions about what their jobs are. They:
ReplyDelete- want to be parachuted into safe seats
- are employed by the Labour Party
- want to see a Cameron government, despite being employed by Labour
- underestimate David's support
What else? And do you have evidence?
Are you seriously suggesting that they are right to believe that a party such as David describes would have little or no support? You do know don't you that the white and West Indian working-class hardly votes at all anymore? Well they would vote for this.
ReplyDeleteOh, one more, according to Martin Miller: the people who come on here criticising you are "lords and masters of ours". Gosh. Shouldn't they have better things to do? Isn't it more likely that they're irrelevant nobodies making fun of David because it's easy and funny, and with no political motive at all?
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'd put my money on.
Yeah, Martin, let's treat the "white and West Indian working class" as a single voting bloc who would all vote the same way. That's in no way patronising or carelessly generalising, is it?
ReplyDeleteThen you'd end up a very poor man Phil. A very poor man indeed.
ReplyDeleteAnd what are you in that case?
A voting bloc is exactly what they now aren't, bottletop. They are a non-voting bloc. But they need no longer be, if this takes off.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 3.24: I am exactly what I describe. I am an irrelevant nobody, not employed by any political party, and I think David is funny.
ReplyDeleteSo Phil, are you seriously suggesting that a party such as David describes would have little or no support? Is that what you find "funny"? Because you'll be laughing on the other side of your face when it gets going. What exactly do you find so "funny" about it?
ReplyDeleteNo, no, no Martin. Phil finds David's views on state funding of parties and on changing how candidates, leaders and headline policies are chosen funny.
ReplyDeleteThe second part involves ordinary people in politics (funny ha ha). But the first questions Phil's and his like's right to be maintained at public expense doing things like this (funny peculiar).
So Phil, and the rest of you, which is it? Am I right? Is Anonymous 3:35 PM right? Or are we both right?
ReplyDelete"Phil's and his like's right to be maintained at public expense..."
ReplyDeleteThat's what I find funny. Jumping to conclusions without evidence (you're wrong, as it happens). David does that too, about loads and loads of things.
All right Phil, even if you're not a public or party employee, what about each of Martin's and my other points?
ReplyDeleteAdmit it, you find it hilarious that anyone should propose giving ordinary people a say in politics. And you therefore find the sort of party that David proposes absolutely side-splitting. Don't you?
You could support giving ordinary people a say in politics and find David funny at the same time - I do. All you'd need to do is to disagree with his specific proposals, fail to be convinced that he would win widespread popular support, enjoy his continual failure to be taken seriously, and find his writing style unintentionally funny. All of which I do, in fact.
ReplyDeleteSo your "therefore" is completely wrong, and it's wrong even if I'm wrong too - but typical of the kind of race to unwarranted conclusions that David so enjoys.
With which of his specific proposals do you disagree and why?
ReplyDeleteAnd "his persisent failure to be taken seriously" by whom exactly? Not by anybody who really matters, that's for sure. You're probably thinking of that crooked, non-English-speaking County Councillor in Lanchester. Or that silly office boy of the late Hilary Armstrong's. Or someone like that. To hell with the likes of them.
Yes, when I think about people who really matter, my thoughts turn at once to an obscure County Councillor in Lanchester and Hilary Armstrong's office boy. Indeed, I find it impossible to imagine anyone who could matter more.
ReplyDeleteOnly kidding. I don't even know who those people are. What planet are you on to think that they're important? They might be in David's little world, but the point is that real life, and real politics, goes on without even noticing him, let alone worrying about him.
In his anti-Catholic zeal, the crooked non-English-speaking County Councillor tried to put the professionally lapsed Catholic silly office boy on to the Governors of St. Bede's in David's place.
ReplyDeleteBut the Catholics on the Durham County and Derwentside District Labour Groups raised so much merry hell about it that he had to appoint one of David's closest friends, a Labour Parish Councillor but also a devout Catholic, instead.
Oooh! Hold the front page, everyone!
ReplyDeleteIt really isn't his fault that he's been kept down by viciously envious people, although it's true that he should have got out of this backward hell hole years ago. He is so much better than all of this.
ReplyDeleteHis increased vote for the Parish as an Independent proved that he never needed Labour and that it was only ever holding him back.
The District candidacy was only to guarantee that he kept his Parish seat, but it did have the happy side-effect of splitting the anti-Labour vote sufficiently to put in two archetypal right-wing Labour councillors of the old school who are also close friends of David's.
good lord david you have been a busy boy this afternoon, what with being chris, anon, phil....so many identities. ho hum.
ReplyDeleteOh, I know FAR better than to use the term "right-wing" in relation to one of those so described by Chris!
ReplyDeleteIt certainly has been busy on here this afternoon, and I only wish that I had taken my tea break so that I could have joined in. But duty called. No such calls on the time of those who, as stated above, benefit from the existing vast public funding of politicians' hangers on.
As seems to have been asked several times on here this afternoon, with which of my views, specifically, do Phil at al actually disagree, and why, specifically?
They never answer that one. People on Iain Dale's Diary or on the Guardian's Comment Is Free site, among other places, seem to manage. But on here they can't seem to do it, and are reduced, like the last commentator, to "no one's really reading this, well I obviously am, but, oh..." It speaks very ill of this part of the country, whence many of them claim to hail.
Anyway, you will see that I have formed the main part of this post into a separate one, about - now see if you can all cope with this - empowering people politically without recourse to PR or the State funding of political parties as such.