Tuesday 3 August 2010

Too Important To Be Left To The Scientists

The historically aberrant rupture between art and science is inseparable from that between theology and philosophy, and between the Biblical and Classical traditions. The work to overcome those splits has now been going on for half a generation, and should be going mainstream in the very near future.

However, the art and science aspect has received less attention because, as a recent thread here has illustrated, it is extremely difficult to tell anything, not so much to proper scientists, as to people who think that they are, such as Richard "Has He Done Any Lab Work Since The Seventies?" Dawkins and his callow fan base, with their memes, with their selfishness on the part of genes, and with their wholly unscientific and in fact tautologous creation myth of Marxism, Nazism and liberal capitalism, all of which have that and several other common roots. Not evolution, purely a fact, if "evolution" is what you want to call the processes in question, as I hope that you do, since as a teological, ethical and aesthetic evaluation it is by definition incompatible with scientism. But "the survival of the fittest".

Yet it is only in our terms that the validity of the scientific method, a question which is beyond the scope of science itself, can be defended at all. There is a reason why science only ever arose in Christendom, and it is the reason why there is a mass retreat from science in the context of de-Christianisation.

Oh, well, we are just going to have to get on with it without them. Science is too important for its intellectual defence to be left to many of its current and former practitioners, and certainly to the noisiest among them in the mass media, with their appeal to unformed minds, very young and otherwise. The fixity of mind that comes from the foothills of science, also pretty much where Dawkins stopped climbing, has given us everyone from Margaret Thatcher to Osama Bin Laden.

We cannot not concern ourselves with reintegrating, and thus in every sense saving, art and science, ontology and epistemology, ethics and aesthetics, Athens and Jerusalem, faith and reason. We simply have to do this, by no means only for our own sakes. It does not matter whether or not some of the beneficiaries are grateful, or bother to learn how to understand, or even notice. So long as they are thus made able to get on with what they either do, or at least rightly believe ought to be done.

26 comments:

  1. How right you are the the problem of "the two cultures" cannot be overcome except by reference to theologically defined and bounded intellctual world before that split emerged.

    Those bounds were what held art and science together. They made both of them possible in terms of intellectual coherence. They ensured that both were equally part of mainstream culture. Only they could then, only they can again.

    Scientists often bemoan that artists are not expected to know anything about science, but their comments on this site more than indicate that it cuts both ways. They seem to have no concept at all of the wider intellectual environment necessary for science to be possible.

    They think that science just is, and that only "scientists" are competent to judge even philosophical questions such as the howlers for which Mary Midgley, and everyone since, have taken apart the former scientist Richard Dawkins. Dawkins is a "scientist", see. So he must be right.

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  2. They are not the realy great ones, of course. Or even the particularly good ones.

    I sometimes wonder why, as was not always the case, people were ever permitted to read either science or law without having first obtained an arts degree and thus been taught to think. Put the two together, and you get Margaret Thatcher.

    But I never said that...

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  3. I have never understood Law as your only degree. Unlike the laws of science, the laws of the land could all be changed tomorrow by Parliament or the courts. Look at Tony Blair, no degree except Law and no capacity for critical thinking.

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  4. Weeeellll...

    A friend of mine went from a good LLB to a very traditionally academic MA indeed, which he also got. As he would no doubt tell you, collegiality is important here: being part of a community including scholars and students from a wide range of disciplines.

    Not that that did Blair any good, it seems.

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  5. Like you say, many of the best scientists do take advantage of collegiality, that is what makes them the best scientists. What did Dawkins think was the meaning of his Fellowship at Oxford?

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  6. An income for life, presumably.

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  7. You are a genius. I really mean that.

    Yes, yes, yes: the biological processes are purely factual, but to give them the name "evolution" is to make a teleogical, ethical and aesthetic judgement, a position irreconcilable with scientism. As of course you know and have repeatedly pointed out, Dawkins uses teleology and aesthetics all the time, cutting the ground from under himself.

    That paragraph also has the advantage that most people with science degrees would be unable to read the beautifully Baroque sentences. No pictures, I suppose.

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  8. Contrary to what you and anonymous appear to be saying, "evolution" as both fact and theory is explicitly not teleological, nor is it coherent to view it as such. Indeed, understanding that there is not and never can be an "end goal" of evolution is fundamental to even a basic understanding of the theory and its implications.

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  9. Anonymous, now, now. Tut, tut. My A-level History teacher used to say that we were allowed to draw maps, but we were not to colour them in, since that was Geography. Geography, I should add, can be a BSc as well as BA. But I mustn't, I mustn't.

    baundlit, you can say that about the biological processes themselves (although all sorts of things follow if you do), but you cannot then call them "evolution". Evolution has to be evolution not only from something, but towards something. By definition. That is why I am very glad that you do call it "evolution".

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  10. David, that is simply not true. It may be true of other uses of the word "evolution" but in terms of biological science evolution is explicitly understood to be a purely mechanical rather than teleological process. There is no "evolution towards". Towards what? Do you think that the plants once hatched a plan to achieve insect pollination?

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  11. You are probably right that working atheist philosophers resent the attention that Dawkins receives. We working scientists certainly do. Someone needs to stop asking the question rhetorically and demand a proper answer: when did he last do any science?

    @Anonymous 13:43, this csinece graduate loves, loves, loves "the beautifully Baroque sentences".

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  12. baundlit, then you are simply misusing the word, and should give it back to the people who know how to use it properly, who might be able to find something more appropriate to your purposes.

    But I hope that you don't. I want you to carry on this basic recognition of the teleological, ethical and aesthetic dimensions, which are beyond science itself, but outside of which science cannot exist.

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  13. Lab monkey, working scientists should be able to look these things up.

    Dawkins, R. (June 2004). "Extended phenotype - But not too extended. A reply to Laland, Turner and Jjablonka". Biology & Physiology 19 (3): 377–396. doi:10.1023/B:BIPH.0000036180.14904.96.

    Now that the question has been answered, what do you intend to do with the information?

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  14. BSc - Bronze Swimming certificate.

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  15. David, I hate to break it to you, but words can have different meanings depending on the context they are used in.

    For example:

    The hammer struck with a force of 34 Newtons.

    The judge's ruling had the full force of law.

    Anyone who objected that in fact, the judge's ruling had neither acceleration nor mass, and so couldn't have any calculable force would rightly mark themselves out as a fool. So I say again: when biologists speak of evolution they are speaking of a purely mechanical process and have said so, repeatedly and at length, in every academic discussion of the matter. If you're not prepared to learn the basic language of science, that is not a reflection on science or on scientists.

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  16. One paper, six years ago. When was the last one before that? When did he last publish a full book of science? When did he ever?

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  17. Smeg head (and how I long for Craig Charles to use that term on Coronation Street), people attribute that one to Red Dwarf, but it is older than that.

    Of course, that attitude, if taken seriously, is wholly incompatible with Sacred Tradition, which alone made possible the emergence of science and which alone provides the wider intellectual context necessary for it to function. But a lot of scientists do not help themselves.

    Bringing us to baundlit. I see that we have found your level. The long school holidays are a recurring nuisance on here. I was going to write "You'll learn". But then again, since you are a Dawkins fan...

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  18. How breathtakingly postmodern baundlit is, to believe that a word can mean whatever he or his community, however defined, wants it to mean. Where would that leave science? Where does that leave science? There are not many reasons to read more Dawkins, but this could be one of them.

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  19. "I see we have found your level" is Lindsay code for "I've lost this argument".

    Get educated. Read a book on evolution - something by Gould perhaps. The basic concepts are very simple, you just have to make a bit of an effort to grasp them.

    Oh, and "full book of science"? From a working scientist? Please.

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  20. They are rarely the best wordsmiths, as this one would probably acknowledge. It is a very important question: when, exactly, did Dawkins last publish a book writing up the results of his experimentation? At least since his doctorate, has he ever done so?

    Don't they make you do any work over the holidays? You can't still be that young? Can you...?

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  21. Get educated.

    He wrote that assault on the eyes without a hint of irony, didn't he? At least we didn't have to hear someone say it loud.

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  22. I'm afraid so, Adrian. I'm afraid so.

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  23. Dawkins is an FRS but only in the way that Thatcher is. They were so grateful that anyone with a science background had become well known at all. The two cultures. Next I propose Brian May (PhD astrophysics) and Ben Miller (PhD quantum physics. David is an important voice on how to overcome the two cultures. Listen to him.

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  24. And what, pray, is wrong with either Queen or The Armstrong & Miller Show?

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  25. Do you recommend any books? Something tells me that you do.

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  26. To begin with, Dr Peter E Hodgson's 'The Roots of Science and Its Fruits', Fr Paul Haffner's 'The Mystery of Reason', and the writings of Professor Dom Stanley Jaki OSB (Benedictine and physicist).

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