There is obviously a limit to what can be said on the Internet while matters are ongoing, but plans for a new party are now very well-advanced, and we will certainly stand a candidate in every constituency if the next General Election happens at the conventional time of spring 2009. Indeed, we expect to be the only party to contest every seat in the House of Commons, throughout the United Kingdom.
Ours will be a One Nation party, with an equal emphasis on the One and on the Nation: a pro-life, pro-family, pro-worker and anti-war party of economically social-democratic, morally and socially conservative British and Commonwealth patriots. There is not the time to register it between now and an Election this year, but several of our people would still hope to stand as Independents should such an Election take place.
Ours will be the only party of labour: of social justice, public transport, workers' rights, local government, a real NHS, peace and disarmament, British independence, freedom, and a real voice for the areas that have supported Labour in the past (much good it has done them). The only party of Attlee, Bevin, Morrison, Bevan and Gaitskell. The only true heirs of John Smith.
Ours will be the only party of conservative values: of British independence, the Union, real education, the countryside, agriculture and small business, law and order, family values, energy independence, and co-operation with Russia on the basis of shared values deriving from Classics and the Bible. The only party of Disreali's One Nation.
And ours will be the only party of liberal democracy: of freedom, social justice, a real NHS, peace and disarmament, the countryside, agriculture and small business, British independence, and a real voice for the remaining old Liberal areas that have had to vote for the Lib Dems despite having nothing in common with them (and which have been completely ignored economically and politically for their pains). The only party of Lloyd George, Keynes and Beveridge.
Watch this space.
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how does this differ from national socialism?
ReplyDeleteWell, it's not racist or anti-Semitic, for a start. How did Keynes, Beveridge, Attlee, Bevin, Morrison, Bevan or Gaitskell differ therefrom? They all took a very robust view of it, as I recall.
ReplyDeleteIf this party does NOT emerge and succeed, then more and more people will turn to the BNP, as well as to Marxist or otherwise anti-democratic and anti-constitutional parties, out of sheer despair at the conditions created by the curent elite (but in no sense popular) consensus.
Were the Nazis "anti-war"? "Economically social-democratic"? "British and Commonwealth patriots"? Believers in "social justice, public transport [much talk, but a record of chaos], local government, a real NHS, peace and disarmament [just read that one over], British independence [and that one], and freedom [and that one, too]"?
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to try smears, then you're going to have to do better than this, molesworth 1!
This blog has a very strong record of opposing the Nazi nostalgists, backed to the hilt by the neocon/anarcho-capitalist lobby (shades of the Nazi-Soviet Pact in the neocon Marxist case), in Bosnia, Kosovo and Flanders, as well as within the ruling pro-war coalition in Denmark, and among the ex-Communists turned capitalists and warmongers in Eastern Europe. No doubt the new party will be the same.
ReplyDeleteMany thanks.
ReplyDeleteNor were the Nazis supporters of real education, of the countryside, of agriculture and small business, of law and order (again, chaos in practice), of family values, or of co-operation with Russia on the basis of shared values derived from Classics and the Bible, values and authorities that they specifically repudiated.
However, the Nazis were of course practitioners of euthanasia, infanticide, and forced abortion.
Clive, you are right, of course. I might add that this blog has also been outspoken on the growth of Russian neo-Nazism in Israel because of the anachronistic and hopelessly impractical retention of the Law of Return.
And the Nazi-Soviet Pact is also recalled by the alliance between neoconservatism and "militant Islam" (the only kind that there can ever be), not only, though very importantly, in Bosnia and Kosovo, but also previously in Afghanistan and today in Pakistan, in Chechnya, effectively in Iraq, with the same putative effect in Syria, and elsewhere. It is the "free" market that requires the unrestricted immigration that is Islamising the West.
Certainly, the Flemish and Danish examples of enthusiatic support for movements with deep Nazi roots deserves much more attention than it has received. Furthermore, although Mussolini was not Hitler and Franco was not either, the roots of the "free"-marketeering warmongers in Italy and Spain deserve a good airing. And we all know about the Chilean "Chicago Boys".
I am given to understand that the technical terms for such alliances are "a coalition of the willing" and "a government of all the talents".
David - how many candidates will your party have if there is an election in November? And will they all be badged under one name, or will independents standing under their own steam be counted as well?
ReplyDeleteSurely though you will stand in an election next month if one is to be called. It is such an exciting time, it is hard to expect that you will wait until 2009 to start developing national recognition for your party. I know that you are reluctant to put out too much information at the moment and understandably so judging by the comments that you have received on here, but it would be great to have some indication of when the national campaign will be rolled out. I suppose that although the public is sick of the two main parties, it will take time for people to realise that in fact that can vote for an alternative, no matter how great it is.
ReplyDeleteVery few, and all Independents because there isn't the time to register the party between now and then.
ReplyDeleteBut that's hardly our fault - who knew that there was going to be an Election this November? I'm still not sure that there will be, and I certainly think that there shouldn't be.
We'll fight every seat at the Election after that. Or at the next one, if it doesn't happen until spring 2009 or later, as one would reasonably expect.
Money, Sally. Money. Less than a month is a very tight timeframe for such purposes.
ReplyDeleteso you're not standing then? And what if Independents standing object to being members of your party. Are you like the Mormon church and just baptise them anyway. Wareing is your leader if he like it or not!
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that. I don't know yet.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the rest of your comment.
If you'd bothered to read the post, you'd know that there is no party as yet, although there will be. And I don't think there is much doubt who its Leader is going to be.
ReplyDeleteAlthough yes, Bob Wareing is currently the only MP in that tradition not still a nominal member of one of the existing parties. In the same way, Lord Stoddart is the only peer in that tradition not still a nominal member of any of the existing parties. Here's hoping that they will both join the new party, making it a force in both Houses of Parliament.
Mind you, good luck with getting it registered. How many people even know that political parties now have to be government approved through a totalitarian device called the Electoral Commission? See David's post about how Britain is becoming the old pretend multiparty democracy, but actually one party state, in Poland or East Germany.
"totalitarian device called the Electoral Commission?".
ReplyDeleteOh Martin luv, me thinks you are a drama queen. There are many things in this world that are "totalitarian", the electoral commission is not one of them.
Well, we will soon find out, won't we? Does it exist to prevent the emergence of organised threats to the hegemony, or not? State funding and party lists certainly would.
ReplyDeleteYou'll have no bother from them after this will you David? Anything they ever did against you, no matter how you behaved, would only prove your point. So you can do what you like. What a wily old fox you are!
ReplyDeleteDavid - I'm worried. I'm a big fan of yours, and I'd really like to vote for you or one of your representatives if you stand where I live. But it seems as if you're talking big about the future, always the future, but the party won't *actually* exist at all for this upcoming election this Autumn. I worry that sad people like Jim who is obviously trying to undermine you will turn round and say "hang on, what on earth constitutes these independents as members of your movement? You're just counting people standing under a whole range of policies who have no real link to you, just to make your movement look better and biggr."
ReplyDeleteAnd you can see why they could say that, can't you? It looks like a -superficially of course - convincing argument. Like I say, I'm worried.
Can we maybe set up some form of central notification (the independents themselves would clearly have needed to give their permission, and state publicly their support for you, so thaat there can be no chance for misunderstanding) so that myself and all other supporters of yours can know for certaain that these independents are truly signed up to your agenda, rather than you being accused of simply corralling them to boost your numbers. And let's get Bob Wareing to go on the radio or TV and promote you - ideally by name. Maybe your commenters who work for the BBC and Sky can get in touch with you, off list, to help sort this out. And he should also put your name on his election literature. That way there really can be no confusion.
I think that policies such as these are the only way to stop these unfounded rumours that, actually, you don't really have a network of candidates at all. That's a harsh accusation, but sadly the Nulab / Cameron / war party mafia, supported by the media, would lap that up.
"but the party won't *actually* exist at all for this upcoming election this Autumn"
ReplyDeleteNot our fault - it looks as if there's going to be a gratuitous, utterly unforeseeable General Election this Autumn. Still, that would give us extra time to plan for the next one. And we were doing quite well on the predictable calendar of events, anyway.
"Can we maybe set up some form of central notification (the independents themselves would clearly have needed to give their permission, and state publicly their support for you, so thaat there can be no chance for misunderstanding)"
Oh, if there is an Election this year, then all that will happen is that I will post here saying "If you are lucky enough to live in X, then vote for Y", who might be an Independent, or who might still be a (decidedly semi-detached) member of a party. Certain Hard Left magazines do this every time. So does the hunting lobby. So do both supporters and opponents of abortion, And so forth.
I can say from the outset, if you are lucky enough to live in Liverpool West Derby, then vote for Bob Wareing. If you are lucky enough to live in Birkenhead, then vote for Frank Field. And if you are lucky enough to live in Vauxhal, then vote for Kate Hoey. None of them has any "formal connection" to the new party, because nor have I or anyone else at this stage. But so what. As I think (or am notified) of more, then they, too, will appear here. A full list will appear in the run-up to a November Election.