Monday, 25 July 2011

Here We Are

It was always going to happen eventually. Although I had almost hoped that it would come as attacks on Arab churches in the West, since that really would have made the point. But here we are, an attack by a man who has been heavily influenced by the likes of Daniel Pipes and who, via the EDL, is tied into that whole world of Harry's Place, the Murdoch media, the American Enterprise Institute, the Henry Jackson Society, and so on, with a religion straight out of John Hagee, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Tony Blair, and with the staggeringly racist party of Israel's Foreign Minister in the driving seat.
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17 comments:

  1. Colin Whittaker25 July 2011 at 11:47

    One big conspiracy theory rather than a lone nut.

    Breivik has probably never heard of Harry's Place, and his desire to link with jihadists puts him out of step with the organisations you list.

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  2. David Lindsay25 July 2011 at 11:58

    Breivik has certainly heard of the EDL, of which he strongly approves.

    And the EDL has certainly heard of Harry's Place, of which it strongly approves.

    Ah, our dear friends the coincidence theorists. Sometimes, you could almost believe that they really believed it. Almost.

    What next? 7/7 was nothing to do with Iraq? 9/11 was nothing to do with American troops in Saudi Arabia?

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  3. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 12:16

    He wants all the world's Jews to go and live in "a liberated and Muslim free Zion." I don't know how he didn't have a Telegraph blog.

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  4. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 12:21

    Today's HP is hilarious, desperately arguing that black is white, their views are nothing to do with Breivik's, nothing like them, no, not at all.

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  5. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 13:50

    "with a religion straight out of John Hagee, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann"

    Except that he abhorred Protestantism and considered Catholicism to the be the only stable lynchpin of culturally conservative society like, err, you.

    Not that I'm trying to implicate you of course, or anyone else for that matter. The man cited a bewildering array of influences including John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke, so I suppose you could go about tarring the entire western tradition by association were you so minded. But only an extraordinarily tasteless and frustrated person would try to make cheap political capital out of a terrorist attack.

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  6. David Lindsay25 July 2011 at 13:57

    Quite.

    Blair has somehow formally become a Catholic in recent years, too.

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  7. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 13:58

    You are back on Telegraph Blogs today, I see.

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  8. David Lindsay25 July 2011 at 14:04

    The rewrite of one of the books in light of dramatic recent events went in early this morning, so I am allowing myself a few indulgences today. I would be back on Harry's Place, too, but it does not allow up my comments.

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  9. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 14:13

    "and with the staggeringly racist party of Israel's Foreign Minister in the driving seat."

    This comment is actually borderline psychotic. Driving seat of what?

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  10. Colin Whittaker25 July 2011 at 14:22

    Anonymous @ 13.58 you are a little premature. No sign yet of Mr L., or Martin Miller for that matter.

    If you have been banned from Harry's Place, evidence is somewhat lacking, and it appears to be in your imagination.

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  11. David Lindsay25 July 2011 at 14:27

    I cannot post on Harry's Place, so I no longer bother trying. I am very proud of my ban, even if without it I could be having some fun today.

    Avigdor Lieberman's agenda set all the others. Anonymous 12:16 has it right. Any other country with him in government would rightly be a pariah.

    He is defending an idea of Israel much like Geert Wilders's Pim Fortuyn-based idea of the Netherlands. The likes of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann should be taken to visit Tel Aviv. Or, for that matter, the loyally Israeli Islamist citadel of Umm al-Fahm.

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  12. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 14:37

    "Avigdor Lieberman's agenda set all the others"

    Loopy.

    tis is the last time I floow up a looney's comment on Telegraph blogs.

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  13. Anonymous25 July 2011 at 14:37

    You are certainly reminding the Telegraph crowd of what they are missing.

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  14. Joan Sims will never die25 July 2011 at 14:39

    You can floow up my looney any time you like.

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  15. Colin Whittaker25 July 2011 at 15:17

    Looks like Breivik wanted to kill Blair (plus Brown and Straw).

    So much for a connection between them.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658431/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-called-Gordon-Brown-and-Prince-Charles-traitors.html

    But Breivik thinks "cultural Marxism" is a threat...

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  16. David Lindsay25 July 2011 at 15:38

    And?

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  17. Douglas26 July 2011 at 23:46

    Hello!

    I don't believe we've met before, but Neil Clark suggested I read this post, in response to some comments I've made on his post on Anders Breivik.

    I have the same problem with your post that I have with the New York Times article on Breivik's influences.

    I would be interested in knowing the contexts in which Breivik quoted Daniel Pipes. Do you sincerely believe that Pipes advocates violence? I don't.

    I live in Minnesota in the US. I consider this incident to be similar to the shootings in which Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was wounded in January of 2011. A great effort was made to link the shooter, Jared Loughner, to conservative politicians such as Sarah Palin. The effort failed because it wasn't true.

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