"Orangefest"? How ghastly. I mean, why?
A friend of mine who is a Catholic from Northern Ireland recalls being taken to watch the Orange parades as a small child in the Sixties. No one thought anything of it. They all did it.
As well they might have done, and as well they might today.
After all, just as it was the Pope who gave the Kings of England the Lordship of Ireland in the first place, so a Papal Blessing was sent to William III when he set out for Ireland. The Lateran Palace was illuminated for a fortnight when news of the Battle of the Boyne reached Rome. Into the nineteenth century, Catholics joined in the annual celebrations of the Relief of Derry; into the late eighteenth, Catholic priests even took part in the prayer service at the Walls of Derry. The professors and seminarians of Maynooth published a declaration of loyalty to the King during the 1798 Rebellion, and those extremely few priests who had adhered to that Rebellion were excommunicated, the bishops calling them "the very faeces of the Church".
Prominent Belfast Catholic laymen chaired rallies against successive Home Rule Bills, with prominent Catholic priests on the platforms. There were numerous Catholic pulpit denunciations of Fenianism, which is unlike any of the three principal British political traditions in being a product of the French Revolution. Hence its tricolour flag. And hence its strong anti-clerical streak, always identifying Catholicism as one of Ireland's two biggest problems.
Jean Buridan's theory of princely absolutism, held by the Stuarts and their anti-Papal Bourbon cousins, was incompatible with the building up of the Social Reign of Christ, subsequently the inspiration for all three great British political movements. Likewise, ethnically exclusive nation-states deriving uncritically from the Revolution do not provide adequate means to that end.
By contrast, the absence of any significant Marxist influence in this country has been due to the universal and comprehensive Welfare State, and the strong statutory (and other, including trade union) protection of workers and consumers, the former paid for by progressive taxation, and all underwritten by full employment: very largely the fruits of Catholic Social Teaching, especially via Diaspora Irish participation in the Labour Movement here as in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Such fruits have been of disproportionate benefit to ethnically Gaelic-Irish Catholics throughout the United Kingdom; even in the 1940s, Sinn Féin worried that they were eroding its support. She who led the assault on these things remains a Unionist hate figure, since the Anglo-Irish Agreement is an integral part of any Thatcherism honestly defined, like the Single European Act, the ERM, and the decadent social libertinism inseparable from decadent economic libertinism.
Only an industrial or post-industrial economy, not one built on the sands of EU farm subsidies and film-making, can make provision such as existed before Thatcher.
A "United Ireland" (such as has never existed outside the United Kingdom) would exclude therefrom people who would otherwise participate in it. Labour's disgraceful refusal to organise in part of the United Kingdom sacrificed several naturally safe Labour seats in the days when it made any difference which party an MP belonged to.
Northern Ireland has both a large bourgeoisie and a large proletariat, like the rest of the United Kingdom, but unlike the Irish Republic. Gaelic-Irish Catholics are to be found in large numbers in Northern Ireland's middle and working classes alike. Within the Labour Party or its electorate, these, like their Protestant neighbours, would be welcome participants.
Many bourgeois and proletarians in Great Britain are ethnically Gaelic-Irish, devoutly Catholic, or both. Middle-class expansion since the Second World War, like the civilised intellectual and cultural life of the pre-Thatcher working class, was in no small measure due to the Catholic schools. The only way to maintain the Catholic school system in Northern Ireland is to keep Northern Ireland within the Union.
For each of this Kingdom's parts contains a Catholic intelligentsia, whereas the Irish Republic's is the most tribally anti-Catholic in the world. There are precious few Mass-going, and no ideologically Catholic, politicians, journalists, radio or television producers, or other public intellectuals there. Rather, the memories of Samuel Beckett and James Joyce are venerated. Anyone who objects to even the most extreme decadence is accused of wishing to "return" to "the bad, old, repressive Ireland". The Republic's Catholic schools, among much else, are doomed.
Furthermore, there is no desire, either for the much higher taxes necessary to maintain British levels of public spending in "the Six Counties", or for the incorporation of a large minority into a country which has developed on the presupposition of a near-monoculture.
So the Catholic case is for the Union. Look at the UUP and DUP votes in largely or entirely Catholic wards. Even Ian Paisley's huge personal vote at successive elections could not happen without considerable Catholic support. With no corresponding Nationalist vote in Protestant wards, the Union, simply as such, is manifestly the majority will of both communities. As for Paisley's theological opinions, the definitive Catholic answers to them have been available for centuries.
The left-wing case is also for the Union, which enables more people than would otherwise be able to do so to benefit from the building up of social democracy. The dismantlement of this by an enemy of the Union was mostly opposed by the old High Tory oligarchs of the UUP, now extricating itself from its links to the Orange Order, of which Ian Paisley is not a member; that dismantlement was consistently resisted by the DUP, with its "Old Labour" electoral base.
And the all-Ireland case is for the Union. As is appreciated in the Irish Republic, what is now Northern Ireland has been profoundly different from the rest of the island, but very like Great Britain, since long before any prospect of partition; that was precisely what necessitated partition. The Irish Republic does not want, and could not sustain, the incorporation of Northern Ireland.
In any case, there is no reason to assume that those who believe the IRA Army Council to be the sovereign body throughout the thirty-two county Republic proclaimed at Easter 1916 (a proclamation howled down by passers by on the streets of Catholic Dublin, "the most British city in the Empire"; and which referred to "gallant allies" in the form of the Kaiser's Germany, which had actually armed the Ulster Volunteer Force!) would rest until they had given effect to that view by to creating an all-Ireland fascist state. Indeed, there have long been rumours (ever since the time, in fact) of Irish refuelling of the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, while the then strongly Republican Dublin Government certainly sent a message of condolence to Germany on the death of Hitler.
It is also worth noting that, at the height of the Provisional IRA's bombing campaign in Britain in the 1970s and 1980s, it was actually being funded by the CIA, because it also carried out attacks against the Marxist wing that, by turning to constitutional politics, had led to the creation of the Provisional movement. So much for any "special relationship" between Britain and America generally, and between Thatcher and Reagan in particular!
Bloody Sunday could not have happened in (at that time) totally integrated Plymouth, Aberdeen or Swansea, because anything like it in an English, Scottish or Welsh city would have brought down the government of the day. Furthermore, the grievances giving rise to the Civil Rights Movement in the first place, and on which the IRA revival from the 1970s onwards subsequently depended, would never have arisen under total integration.
Th Civil Rights Movement was explicitly for equal British citizenship, not for a "United Ireland"; the Nationalist Party pointedly played no part whatever in its inception. And it was classically British Labour in identifying education, health care, decent homes and proper wages as the rights of citizens, who are demeaned precisely as citizens when they are denied those rights. Indeed, it was a Labour Government that suspended Stormont and sent in the British Army precisely in order to protect the Civil Rights campaigners and their supporters.
The people of England are now being denied equal citizenship by being excluded from the social democracies being created, at the whole Kingdom's expense, in Scotland and Wales. One to watch, I fear; and a sign that the appeasement of "blood and soil" retrospection and nostalgia is always the Left's enemy. For example, the National Health Service must be precisely that.
It is total integration that would ultimately be in the interests of all. And that includes the Catholic and/or left-wing Unionists of Northern Ireland.
So God Save The Queen.
What are you drivelling about you stupid man.
ReplyDelete"Jean Buridan's theory of princely absolutism"
ReplyDeleteSurely "Jean Bodin", the 16th Century political theorist.
Buridan had completely different interests and was much earlier.
Yours pedantically.
As I wrote back in March:-
ReplyDelete"Whilst De Valera should not have signed the book of condolence, the Luftwaffe were never refuelled during the war in Eire - not for combat missions anyway.
Indeed it is a fact that Irish Special branch bugged the German embassy in Dublin and passed on the intelligence to the British authorities. British servicemen who were interned in Eire after being shot down etc were usually generously assessed to be unfit for service by the Irish authorities and allowed to return to the UK to rejoin their unit. Irishmen serving in the UK armed forces were not prevented from returning to the UK after home leave.
Indeed De Valera aware of the IRA's flirtation with the Nazis, introduced a draconian "Offences against the State" act to intern and on occassion execute under martial law IRA suspects.
De Valera was no fan of the UK. However he was no friend of fascism either, having had to tackle the Irish fascist movement the National Guard and its paramiltary wing the Blue Shirts in the 1930's.
The above mob were very fond of circulating a rumour that Dev's Spanish father was a Jew. Dev made a statement in the Dail saying to the best of his knowledge his father was a Catholic and he himself was baptised one. He added he did not make the statement to harass the Jewish community but rather restate the truth as he knew it.
In 1937 Dev wrote the modern Irish constitution where he enshrined protection of the country's Jewish community. It was in the same clause that endorsed the prominence of the Catholic Church in the state etc.
A good judge of De Valera and his actions of course is the Irishman Chaim Herzog. Herzog of course went onto become Israeli President and during World War II was an officer in the British army. He in no point criticised De Valera's actions during the war in his memoirs.
Indeed it was the Irish government was to be the first European government to recognise Israel. De Valera was the first European statesman to visit Israel after statehood, staying as a guest of the Herzog's father - the first Chief Rabbi of Ireland and first Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel. If Dev was pro-Nazi, would they have not locked him in irons as soon as he set foot in Tel-Aviv in 1948?
Herzog's father of course ran an IRA-safe house during the independence conflict. He had become Irish Chief Rabbi before 1922 after nationalists in the Irish Jewish community declared a break from the UK Chief Rabbi.
Another figure in this is of course Robert "Bobby" Briscoe. Of Lithuanian parentage, despite his parents being given asylum by the British crown (like Rabbi Herzog), he joined the IRA and became its main European gun-runner, operating out of Geneva and couriering ex-WWI ordinance to Ireland from different suppliers.
During the Palestine conflict with the British state, Briscoe went back into business and supplied guns to the Zionist paramilitaries. He eventually went legit, became a member of the Dail (for Dev's party Fianna Fail) and served several terms as Lord Mayor of Dublin. His son Benny followed him into politics upon his retiral in the 1960's.
To put it bluntly, if Eire had openly joined the Allies, particularly in the early part of the war I have no doubt that it is likely to have reopened the internal war there and meant the wasting of resources dealing with the conflict. Probably it was better for that potential tinderbox to remain unlit and for Ireland to adopt "pro-Allied" neutrality.
Concerning the 1916 rebellion (which could have been avoided if devolution had been granted a few years earlier) and their backing by Germany. Well on the other side of the mirror of course the Allies backed nationalist rebellions in the Austria-Hungary (notably the Czechs and Slovaks - take it you have heard of the Czech and Slovak legion) and of course Lawrence of Arabia with the Arabs within the Ottoman Empire.
As I have asked you many times before - should the Czechoslovakian leader Thomas Masaryk (a sworn deputy in the Austrian Parliament and a professor at Royal University)have been hanged?
Like Cesare Battisti for instance:-
http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/executions.html
All enemies of their Emperor must die!"
I might add about all this about the Pope backing the Williamite invasion that when Stormont was built in the 1930's the Dutch government commissioned and gifted a tapestry as a gift to the new Parliament celebrating the invasion. The NI government sent it back as the tapestry portrayed the Pope blessing the invasion.
Concerning your view about Republicanism being "anti-Catholic", what about De Valera who was a very devout Catholic and bosom buddies with several cardinals, most notably McQuaid.
De Valera encouraged the above mentioned Blue Shirts to go and fight for Franco to defend the Catholic church there and not to annoy him and clog up Irish jails. Their leader Eoin O'Duffy. the former police chief (sacked by Dev for harassing him during the Irish Civil War), had threatend Dev with a coup a few years before by trying to emulate Mussolini by marching on the Dail building with his crowd.
I would also point out that in the early Free State elections the main parties vied for approval from the Catholic church. First Irish premier W T Cosgrave used to get the church to denounce Dev as a communist and a bolshevik (!).
There was of course a NI Labour Party till 1972. It did not do particuarly well. It was independent of the UK Labour Party who chose not to campaign in the Ireland - a position they chose since before WWI.
The Irish Labour Party was founded by nationalist leaning Irish-Englishman Jim Larkin, Irish-Scotsman Jim Connolly and William O'Brien - O'Brien I read tried to run for an English seat in the House of Commons at one point.
Of course Larkin and Connolly helped set up the Irish Citizen's Army - one of the parent organisations of the IRA, led by Connolly in 1916. It was run by Captain Jack White DSO, son of Ulster Protestant Unionist hero Sir George White, Defender of Ladysmith. White himself won his DSO during the same battle.
White died of cancer not long after World War II. He stood in the 1945 General Election as a Republican Socialist.
So the IRA is descended, whether you like it or not, from a Socialist movement. Strange.
Far beyond your comprehension, BDJ. Waht isn't? I often wonder, on reading your reams of rejected comments, how someone quite as limited as you are is not already in the present Cabinet.
ReplyDelete"The NI government sent it back as the tapestry portrayed the Pope blessing the invasion."
Which he had in fact done.
"Concerning your view about Republicanism being "anti-Catholic", what about De Valera?"
No serious Republican regarded, or regards, him as a serious Republican. They regard him, and everyone else who has governed from Dublin since independence, as "British government by proxy". And they have often been broadly right.
"I would also point out that in the early Free State elections the main parties vied for approval from the Catholic church"
No serious Republican regarded, or regards, them as serious Republicans, either.
"W T Cosgrave"
And he certainly wasn't!
"the UK Labour Party who chose not to campaign in the Ireland - a position they chose since before WWI"
To horrific effect.
The first Labour Party Conference was held in Belfast.
"So the IRA is descended, whether you like it or not, from a Socialist movement. Strange."
Well, it would be. But it is in fact the INLA that is the paramilitary continuation of the tradition of Connelly and Larkin.
There is also a strong Marxist strain in Sinn Fein, but that is another story, the latest chapter of which is the ongoing Sinn Fein exclusion of Protestant clergy from their historic role in Northern Ireland's schools, as an almost dry run for the banishment of the Catholic Church from education throughout Ireland.