tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post1922030558898653079..comments2024-03-28T21:47:05.704+00:00Comments on David Lindsay: The Beloved CountryDavid Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-40344816053278019352013-12-17T22:33:47.789+00:002013-12-17T22:33:47.789+00:00I have put these up just to show people that you a...I have put these up just to show people that you are illiterate. Funny how <b><i>no one</i></b> in South Africa agrees with you.<br /><br />All criticism there is that the Government is not left-wing enough (not left-wing at all, in fact), or not Black Nationalist enough (the appeal of which is precisely the results of the fact that it is not left-wing enough). Your position does not exist.<br /><br />I reckon that those murder figures and what have you are either just made up by the likes of the <i>Telegraph</i>, or else a consequence of now counting crimes against blacks, which didn't used to be recorded because they were deemed not to matter in your Golden Age.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-89549782909358585232013-12-17T16:47:49.951+00:002013-12-17T16:47:49.951+00:00Further to my last three comments.
Norman Tebbit ...Further to my last three comments.<br /><br />Norman Tebbit said that he, like Mrs Thatcher, supported the peaceful transition to the new South Africa once the Soviet Union was finished-compelling the ANC to renounce terrorism, and averting any risk of it becoming a Kremlin client.<br /><br />We were right all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-74848662429307211852013-12-17T16:02:00.714+00:002013-12-17T16:02:00.714+00:00Further to my second comment.
Just read this bit...Further to my second comment. <br /><br />Just read this bit; "a great success story".<br /><br />Now that is just hilarious; there are more murders every day in South Africa now, than under apartheid (about 50 a day).<br /><br />Rape is more rampant than it has ever been there.<br /><br />What's that you say? Great success story? Are you joking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-44520766919092099222013-12-17T15:56:55.444+00:002013-12-17T15:56:55.444+00:00I didn't say anyone prefers the old regime.
I...I didn't say anyone prefers the old regime.<br /><br />I said Thatcher and Reagan were right to oppose sanctions before the Soviet Union's collapse, when South Africa was our ally against 40,000 Cuban troops and Russian weapons in Angola and the ANC was an Angolan-trained, Kremlin-supporting terrorist outfit that would have turned a strategically-important region into a North Korea-style Soviet satellite.<br /><br />When the Soviet Union was clearly finished, the ANC abandoned terrorism and switched to reconciliation.<br /><br />Not because they suddenly became nice guys. But because they knew they could no longer win through violence.<br /><br />When the Soviet Union was clearly finished, Thatcher played an instrumental role in aiding Mandela's release and the peaceful transfer of power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-80835915472666661602013-12-17T15:02:16.198+00:002013-12-17T15:02:16.198+00:00Check basic dates. Apartheid predated the republic...Check basic dates. Apartheid predated the republic, which only just passed the all-white referendum (not without chicanery), whereas apartheid was hugely popular among whites, of both tribes, at the time.<br /><br />And check the record of the United Party. Which was undeniably pro-British, but that is the point. Look at Canada or Australia in the same period. Look at Australia now.<br /><br />Beyond a few sad Boer War re-enactors, no one, no one at all, in South Africa prefers the old order to the new. The Rainbow Nation, indeed. Not perfect. But a great success story. Whether you like it or not.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-51547273670945400212013-12-17T14:54:27.351+00:002013-12-17T14:54:27.351+00:00In response to your post on the ANC and the Anglos...In response to your post on the ANC and the Anglosphere.<br /><br />Please see the below.<br /><br />Firstly, Bob Blackman is an admirer of Mandela's turn away from violence who simply opposed the Labour Party exploiting him for a photo op. As is only right and proper.<br /><br />On to more serious matters.<br /><br />The Anglosphere, of course, refers to the only truly free civilisations ever to have existed on Earth.<br /><br />South Africa, of course, became an apartheid state precisely because she spurned all ties with Britain, the Commonwealth and the Monarchy and hence the Anglosphere.<br /><br />The bitterly anti-British National Party defeated the old United Party of Jan Smuts, (which had been pro-British) in the 1939-45 war.<br /><br />Balthazar Johannes Vorster, (who would later become leader of the Apartheid State) was interned by Smuts because of his noisy enthusiasm for Hitler, when Britain was fighting him.<br /><br />The Nationalists resented British domination, feared British immigration and wanted as little to do with the British Commonwealth as possible. They didn't even want to speak English.<br />They organised a referendum to rid South Africa of the Monarchy.<br /><br />As to the ANC; the Tories and the US Republicans had no choice but to oppose sanctions and rightly feared the ANC getting power.<br /><br />Mandela was not the only leader of the ANC-and its training camps outside South Africa were often run by tyrannical militants.<br /><br />In South Africa, its armed wing Spear of the Nation necklaced opponents (a policy supported by Mandela's then-wife, who is still a prominent figure within it) and tortured and murdered blacks as well as whites.<br /><br />Zulu Chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi had implored Thatcher and Reagan not to hurt the black population of South Africa through sanctions.<br /><br />40,000 Cuban troops were in Angola in 1986 (where the South African regime was an ally of the West)-while Mugabe was communizing Zimbabwe, and Mozambique and SouthWest Africa were leaning towards Soviet Communism.<br /><br />The South African Communist Party was more slavishly loyal to the Kremlin than any other Communist Party in the world at that time. <br /><br />Far from being pro-democracy (or anti-imperialism) senior ANC figures cheered on the Soviet tanks in Czechoslovakia.<br /><br />If the ANC had taken over South Africa before the end of the Soviet Union, it would almost certainly have become a client of the Kremlin. <br /><br />Since South Africa occupies one of the prime strategic sites in the world, and produces large numbers of very valuable commodities, many of them militarily significant, this would have been a grave blow to the West during the Cold War.<br /><br />Once the Soviet menace was gone, and the West was no longer afraid of handing one of the world's most important countries to Moscow control, Mrs Thatcher played a significant part in the release of Mandela and the peaceful handover of power.<br /><br />The fall of the Soviet Union compelled the ANC to abandon terrorism in favour of peaceful compromise, since it knew it could no longer win a civil war without Soviet support.<br /><br />The history is far more complex than the story told by simple-minded 'Rainbow Nation' leftists who have clearly filled you with their rubbish, Mr Lindsay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com