tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post1470253085800424164..comments2024-03-29T10:44:12.904+00:00Comments on David Lindsay: Untapped SeamsDavid Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-47951963788797036202012-12-22T22:53:02.270+00:002012-12-22T22:53:02.270+00:00The Guardian is a Labour paper? I don't know w...The Guardian is a Labour paper? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Although we could have guessed this, he has obviously never attended a Labour party meeting. That he thinks Labour and the LDs are sort of interchangeable suggests he must be a Guardian reader himself.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-25474042232967234192012-12-22T22:49:40.657+00:002012-12-22T22:49:40.657+00:00Silly little boy.Silly little boy.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-49946548111863559742012-12-22T22:36:51.034+00:002012-12-22T22:36:51.034+00:00The Guardian, Observer and Independent (all three ...The Guardian, Observer and Independent (all three read by more Labour/Lib Dem voters than supporters of any other Party) are fiercely pro-federalist.<br /><br />The Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph (read by more Conservative voters than any other paper) are both either for total renegotiation or, implicitly, for withdrawal.<br /><br />Labour supported cuts to the EU budget?<br />You mean the budget that they agreed inflation-busting increases to, TWICE, while in power, while surrendering much of our rebate for NOTHING?<br /><br />Theyre all disgusting hypocrites. <br /><br />They only voted for a cut, to undermine Cameron, by siding with his rebels.<br /><br /><br />The people I mention have all publicly said they would ultimately like Britain to leave. (I'm not commenting on anything else Fox has done, since that's irrelevant to this issue).<br /><br />Many Tory MP's favour withdrawal-which is why UKIP doesn't field a candidate against them.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-82862595022613763722012-12-22T22:26:33.617+00:002012-12-22T22:26:33.617+00:00What Labour-supporting nationals?
The only Britis...What Labour-supporting nationals?<br /><br />The only British national paper to have opposed the EU consistently from when it was first proposed even on the Continent is very definitely Conservative-supporting, Read this post. It also supported the No2EU list at the last European Elections, whereas none of the talk-the-talk lot has ever endorsed UKIP, and don't hold your breath that any of them ever will.<br /><br />There were in fact Labour votes in favour of that motion, but it was a daft motion in itself. Whereas Ed Miliband has as good as announced an In-Out referendum as Labour policy for 2015, and the publication of Jon Cruddas's Policy Review will confirm that once and for all. (Seamus Milne also used his <em>Guardian</em> column this week to call for one.)<br /><br />Every Labour MP without exception recently voted for an amendment requiring a real-terms cut in the British contribution to the EU; the number of Tory rebels in favour was fewer than the number of Lib Dem MPs in the House. On third of Labour MPs voted this year to be chaired by an advocate of outright withdrawal, and all four candidates, of whom three were elected, to represent MPs on Labour's National Executive Committee this year were staunch Eurosceptics, two of them of very long standing, while the other two were from the 2010 intake.<br /><br />None of the figures whom you list has ever called publicly for withdrawal from the EU. Liam Fox, in particular, is the worst possible example of a champion of British sovereignty. He is guilty of treason.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-28472906037602160802012-12-22T22:14:01.315+00:002012-12-22T22:14:01.315+00:00Apart from the fact you didn't give an argumen...Apart from the fact you didn't give an argument, thats easily exploded.<br /><br />A number of Conservative MP's and major Party figures have publicly stated they desire EU withdrawal, including David Davies, Liam Fox and John Redwood.<br /><br />The 91 MP's who defied Cameron's three-line whip (when none of the Opposition did) and voted for the principle of a referendum on withdrawal, were all on the Tory benches.<br /><br />All the papers that oppose the EU are Conservative-supporting papers. <br /><br />All of the Labour-supporting nationals are fiercely pro-federalist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-3822783226870619042012-12-22T15:40:27.012+00:002012-12-22T15:40:27.012+00:00Well, they are.
Whereas next to no one on the Con...Well, they are.<br /><br />Whereas next to no one on the Conservative benches really is, as was recently exposed on the floor of the House. Fewer than the number of Lib Dem MPs, versus every Labour MP without exception.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-62280187969751295492012-12-22T01:56:36.682+00:002012-12-22T01:56:36.682+00:00Why would anyone on the Left be eurosceptic today?...Why would anyone on the Left be eurosceptic today?<br /><br />Sure, in the days of Michael Foot it made sense for them to oppose the EU.<br /><br />But the Labour Party came to understand the true left-wing purpose of the EU (and thus embrace it) when Jacques Delors famously explained to the trade unions that he would undo Thatcherism by the back door through the EU Social Chapter; it effectively imposed a trade unionists wet dream on the private sector, now buried under an avalanche of workers rights, minimum wages, minimum working hours, health and safety laws and the like which are killing small enterprise the world over.<br /><br />The Labour Party also understood (as Peter Hitchens has argued) that the European Court of Human Rights gives them an opportunity to impose left-wing laws on the country which they could never have hoped to get past Parliament.<br /><br />From "privacy laws" (emanating from the "right to privacy") which threaten a free press, to laws which impose abortion (the right to abortion) and protect the rights of criminals against those of their victims, the Human Rights Act is a left-wing wet dream.<br /><br />They'd never get any of this past the people. But the EU gives them a chance to bring in left-wing dictatorship through the back door. And Parliament has to abide by it.<br /><br />Why on Earth would Labour or anyone on the Left be against the EU now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com