tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post8709386354809859362..comments2024-03-28T23:49:28.343+00:00Comments on David Lindsay: Post ModernisersDavid Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-10105569367849745182011-12-30T15:30:08.374+00:002011-12-30T15:30:08.374+00:00We should be so lucky.We should be so lucky.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-77073006157532387992011-12-30T15:25:59.918+00:002011-12-30T15:25:59.918+00:00Reading your and the Good Lord's essays alread...Reading your and the Good Lord's essays already submitted are why I am also writing for that book. I am so grateful for the invitation, although reading about it on here must have annoyed no end the people who think that they own political comment in this country but who had never heard of it. Come Ed's Premiership, they might as well emigrate to anywhere still stupid enough to take them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-33514789579149724502011-12-30T00:46:32.066+00:002011-12-30T00:46:32.066+00:00Oooo, get her!
Yes, David has been saying all of ...Oooo, get her!<br /><br />Yes, David has been saying all of these things for years:<br /><br />- working class communities autonomously organising for their own goals based on their own experiences;<br /><br />- protection from as well as by state power;<br /><br />- combating the power of the free market;<br /><br />- a Labour Movement led by a more diverse range of social groups than today, including key roles for the churches and for charities;<br /><br />- deployment of the intellectual resources of the Bible, Classical Antiquity, the Middle Ages, Early Modernity, and the non-Jacobin, non-Marxist traditions of distinctively British radicalism;<br /><br />- corresponding respect for the age old English tradition of liberty and the ancient organic constitution that guarantees it;<br /><br />- the failure of the post-War settlement to ensure real representation and participation in the running of public services and publicly owned industries;<br /><br />- a particular attention to Catholic Social Teaching, always formative of millions of Labour voters but unknown to almost all left wing intellectuals;<br /><br />- the centrality of faith, flag, family, friendship and familiarity, the last understood as emotional and material stability.<br /><br />A dozen years of Lindsayism to a tee. Other people are just catching up.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-39194487618614731652011-12-30T00:11:36.953+00:002011-12-30T00:11:36.953+00:00You are the perfect Blue Labour figure, combining ...You are the perfect Blue Labour figure, combining the boy bloggers isolated from their local parties with the middle-aged men stuck on the lower rungs of the academic ladder. Your life is one long tribute to the power of unaccountable all-male social networks -- drank your way into two school governorships at 21 and all that -- and this is just your latest useful boys' club. It is scandalous that Ed Miliband has allowed it to take over a national political party without the slightest reference to proper procedures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-82442364151679368902011-12-29T21:23:52.613+00:002011-12-29T21:23:52.613+00:00As mentioned above, the mighty David Toube of Harr...As mentioned above, the mighty David Toube of Harry's Place, who has seen the text of COLHT in the course of its electronic travels, has issued a very round robin email describing it as "mentally ill", matching that of Franjo Tudjman's London bag carrier, who was presumably being complimentary when he called it and me "Far Right".<br /><br />I was last called mad by Damian Thompson, when I pointed out the existence of a large party of nominally Tory MPs who were in fact shills for the Israeli Hard Right, an insanity since confirmed by the resignation of the Secretary of State for Defence. We continue to await the resignation of the Editor of Telegraph Blogs.<br /><br />Maurice, on the other hand, does indeed take a very different view of my work. Nor are my ties to him purely professional as of last term. Small world.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-6737782146042499752011-12-29T21:12:53.232+00:002011-12-29T21:12:53.232+00:00Hawking for contributions to one of your forthcomi...Hawking for contributions to one of your forthcoming books, you pointedly include Glasman's already submitted copy along with your own. He seems to have written it before you have so much have as a complete lineup, never mind a publisher, so convinced is he of your virtue and importance. I assume he is also writing for the collection of responses to "Confessions of an Old Labour High Tory" by your fan club. Again, nothing as minor as the absence of a publisher seems to have prevented the great and the good from signing up on the spot to put into the public prints their fulsome admiration of your work. You are a very, very dangerous man. The approach of a government under your influence is horrifying and demands to be much better known. It is a crying shame that something like Harry's Place, which would ordinarily have exposed this sort of relationship, does not take you seriously. It bloody well should.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-34694074024990569882011-12-29T18:15:41.943+00:002011-12-29T18:15:41.943+00:00The lines are now drawn explicitly.
The New Left ...The lines are now drawn explicitly.<br /><br />The New Left redefined the movement in terms of environmentalism, feminism, gay rights and ethnic minority concerns, sceptical about traditional state action and trade union power, strongly secular, and eventually open to actively spreading freedom and democracy as well as to trade and immigration.<br /><br />So whatever Lindsay et al want instead will redefine it back to a white, patriarchal, heterosexist, theocratic organ of old-fashioned statism, syndicalism, isolationism, protectionism and nativism. Glasman is listening to Lindsay, and Miliband is listening to Glasman. Chilling. Absolutely chilling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-27657302497320286652011-12-29T17:10:48.844+00:002011-12-29T17:10:48.844+00:00In that case it had better get on with creating it...In that case it had better get on with creating its New Left Review, its Marxism Today, its Commentary, its Public Interest.<br /><br />What am I saying? 2012 is going to be the big year, I think we can safely say.Dolly Byrdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-3800421789291508762011-12-29T16:45:47.794+00:002011-12-29T16:45:47.794+00:00The closeness to the Blue Labour lot and the very ...The closeness to the Blue Labour lot and the very high regard in which they hold Lindsay is truly sad but sadly true. As is this silly leader's heavy dependence on them, and on Glasman above all.<br /><br />What Lindsay sets out here is what Miliband is being fed on a daily basis. The approach that really did win three elections is being banished along with the very name of that hugely successful leader and PM.<br /><br />Look at Lindsay's further comments on Oborne's post, look at material by or around him in wide circulation prior to publication next year, and it is obvious that he envisages a movement strategically similar to the New Left on both sides of the Atlantic or the neoconservatives in the US.<br /><br />One day, supporters of at least one major party, probably Labour, will wake up and discover that their party has been surreptitiously turned into the vehicle for whatever this is (paleo-Labour?). Or in many cases will not wake up at all, making it all the easier for paleo-Labour to use their party for its own ends. Glasman and other BL figures will be pretty old by then. But not Lindsay. He will be at his middle-aged peak.<br /><br />Will Lindsay rejoin once that takeover has been accomplished? Or will he be like Bob Santamaria, who completely controlled the Australian DLP but never joined it? Some of the old Scoop Jackson Democrats never became Republicans even while publicly supporting that party at the height of neoconservatism. They kept their Democratic registration and I suspect Lindsay will remain ostentatiously one of the people who left because of Blair, long after his own ideas have taken over the party that he imagines those ideas once defined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-10755157910959387462011-12-29T15:40:42.742+00:002011-12-29T15:40:42.742+00:00They are right. But the frightening thing is that ...They are right. But the frightening thing is that apart from Tom Watson, the only person outside Ed Miliband's immediate entourage with access to the Leader is Maurice Glasman, who thinks the world of David Lindsay. Lindsay's ideas set out here are as much an influence on Glasman's as the other way around, and Glasman is Ed Miliband's guru. In fact, Lindsay is politically somewhere between the two. A dangerously influential, influentially dangerous man whose name and thoughts are known at the very highest levels of the party he refuses to rejoin. That's my party and I want it back.Unrepentant Blairitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-37051116460380182662011-12-29T01:50:34.467+00:002011-12-29T01:50:34.467+00:00This, Mr Lindsay's part in italics, is what Ma...This, Mr Lindsay's part in italics, is what Marko Attila Hoare, now an HJS employee, has called "Far Right" and David Toube of Harry's Place has called "mentally ill".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-61316125157130605762011-12-29T01:27:10.698+00:002011-12-29T01:27:10.698+00:00I have never been asked to write for Taki's Ma...I have never been asked to write for Taki's Magazine, and only once for the Brussels Journal, which accurately described me in its introduction to my piece as "a mixed-race social democrat".<br /><br />As for the CPB and the SWP, I am told that the many factions of the Far Left are trying to put together a collection of responses to my next book, which apparently has already gained some circulation in literary-political London. Whether they will be able to tolerate each other long enough to finish such a project remains to be seen. But from their own point of view, they would certainly find plenty to critique.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-27266065938512109502011-12-29T00:56:25.843+00:002011-12-29T00:56:25.843+00:00That last bit reads like something out of the Eust...That last bit reads like something out of the Euston Manifesto or the Statement of Principles of the Henry Jackson Society.<br /><br />But like Oborne you remain convinced that all signatories to the first and, not the same thing, all New Labour people were old Tankies or old Trots, while all signatories to the first and, not the same thing, all Cameroons are old hands from the Monday Club, Western Goals and the FCS. Apart from a few who are old Tankies or old Trots.<br /><br />Only those positions, say you, Oborne, Peter Hitchens, Geoffrey Wheatcroft and others, can possibly have led anybody to support the Iraq War. Everybody who did therefore must fall into one or more of those categories and be dismissed out of hand accordingly. Unlike safely antiwar characters from the CPB (in mourning for Kim Jong Il), the SWP, the Brussels Journal and Taki's Magazine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25656996.post-36972135868420377432011-12-29T00:34:31.971+00:002011-12-29T00:34:31.971+00:00I love the way Thompson is forced to employ Oborne...I love the way Thompson is forced to employ Oborne because he has a column in the print edition. This is it, as it happens. Great stuff from him, as ever. Great stuff from you, as ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com